"Groagun" (groagun)
03/16/2015 at 17:19 • Filed to: None
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"Groagun" (groagun)
03/16/2015 at 17:19 • Filed to: None | 3
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The Rise and Fall of RedBull F1.
The one good thing about being sick today is time: time to stop and read all of the crazy, bat shit crazy, goings on at RedBull Racing F1. I think we all knew things were going to be difficult this year but holy crap, I didn't think the ship would sink quite so fast.
Three good but small reports from worldcarfans.com about this story is what I used to work out this post. They do a nice job of posting quick and relevant posts on F1 and many other race series along with everyday car news you might enjoy.
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I come from a racing background, that is how I really got into the car business. As a 'race guy' you come to expect a certain level of complaint and or excuse generation from teams and drivers as to why they didn't win or did what they did.
RedBull however has brought this to a whole new level. To be fair, I'm really enjoying this. Don't give me the bull shit speech about how I/we should remain impartial and hope for all teams to do well and just be happy that racing still exists. What a load of crap that is.
No, RedBull for far too long, has had a strangle hold on the championship and I'm glad to see them struggle. What I was not expecting was just how badly they have reacted to their struggles and just how absurd they have become in their complaining and whining.
Part of my enjoyment comes from a little knowledge of just how RedBull, the energy drink, came to be. I don't know the full story but it's murky and seemingly a little malicious, perhaps even unethical and disturbing to dive into. As far as I can tell, there was a second partner, the one who got left behind and is never heard from.
I have no proof and cannot speak to any detail but my curiosity was aroused more than a decade a go when at a local motorcycle show some guy was selling RedBull, not the blue and silver can we all know and they spread some light on the matter. Then I talked with a few colleagues in F1 about this very subject and they murmured something to the same affect.
Now this could all be bullshit so take it with a grain of salt, or a shot of RedBull, but like I have said before, if something smells funny, something is rotten.
In the second article is where this really set my ass on fire! Dr. Helmut Marko, RedBull founder and supreme leader actually said this: "The technical regulations are incomprehensible, too complicated and expensive. We have let F1 be governed by engineers."
I have several adjectives to use to describe this man and his comments after this but I wish not to offend the mentally challenged. Seriously, he sounds like the kid who gets upset and threatens to take his toys home and leave the sandbox.
And then good old Bernie chimes in with another of his classics in this article: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
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Talk about a guy who has mastered talking out of both sides of his mouth. He is too blame for the power of the likes of RedBull. The expense of F1 means that only a few select companies can now even think about F1 sponsorship and that pool is getting smaller and giving the sharks in it even more power.
Ecclestone is so full of shit, he knows full well that if RedBull pulls out, no one will be there to fill that void. That puts F1 in potentially dire times with 2 less cars and potentially 4 more not being able to complete another full year and could be gone by next season.
He also knows that if he gives into RedBull, Mercedes may very well leave: I would!
Horner while a part of team I never liked, did seem a level headed and smart guy. This display lately is totally unbecoming of a man of his stature and importance. Simply put, it's embarrassing.
It's pretty simple: Mercedes is top of the heap right now, they have engineered the best car. RedBull missed the mark and yes Renault is not helping but making it worse by publicly shaming and disrespecting them certainly doesn't help.
Quote of the day goes to Toto Wolff, Mercedes boss " I think 'just get your f***ing head down, work hard and try to sort it out ."
tifosi3317
> Groagun
03/16/2015 at 17:56 |
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Fuck RedBull. I'm glad they are nowhere. They've been getting their own way for far too long.
Jetstreamer
> Groagun
03/16/2015 at 18:12 |
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I'd say there's arguments for both sides here. Newey kind of has a point in the fact that a lot of rules changed while they were winning with innovation/creativity, in part because the other teams would be the first ones to complain about Red Bull having some sort of unfair advantage.
I'm undecided after race 1 so far... I stopped watching last season because it was so boring to see Mercedes basically go uncontested. I am not a Formula 1 expert, but the seasons Red Bull was leading and winning seemed closer and more contested on average.
inpursuitofemancipation
> Groagun
03/16/2015 at 19:40 |
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Mercedes deserve every win they get for working hard to get everything right. They interpreted the rules rightly and came up with a great package that pushes the limits of innovation. Asking FIA to level the playing field just to make Redbull win again in BS or rather Redbull Shit. They had the same time to develop a car as others. Ferrari has improved a lot this year which shows that working hard gets better results than moaning.
Manuél Ferrari
> Groagun
03/16/2015 at 21:36 |
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Fuck Red Bull
Their product tastes like crap and kills people with weak hearts
If Red Bull is legal then cocaine should be too
Craig Stampfli
> Jetstreamer
03/16/2015 at 23:55 |
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I agree, previous years did seem closer, and the huge changes to the regulations mean that teams are now limited to how much innovation they can come up with. I struggle to understand why a team, whether it is Red Bull, or Ferrari or even Mercedes, are not able to play with their engines to extract the most out of them from race to race. The nonsense with "tokens" seems ridiculous, only so many allowed to work on engines or aero or what ever at predetermined times in the season. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport, and to me it has been artificially hamstrung by limiting constant improvement. There should be no fuel flow limits, or reduced revs, every team's engine is going to behave differently, some might be thirstier so they will have the disadvantage of carrying more fuel, others might be less powerful but are able to go longer on tires. There are too many limitations. Hats off to Mercedes for getting the jump on every one again, lets just hope the talk after the KL round is how everyone is catching up to the Mercs and not who is going to spit the dummy.
cornerslide
> Groagun
04/05/2015 at 16:56 |
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When Red Bull was winning you didn't hear anyone complain that the rules needed to be changed. F1 did in fact change the technical regulations so that a number of the innovations that they brought to their car became illegal. That being said, according to the new rules, I agree. They just got it wrong. They knew from last year that Mercedes were at the head of the pack and there is no way I'm going to believe they didn't understand what they needed to do to catch up while understanding that Mercedes were, in all likelihood going to get better over the winter.